18 thoughts on “03/09/20 Atheism Roundtable”

  1. pray my atheist daughter might access this… I cannot share, I'm blocked… because you know, mom's a fanatic who used to be lukewarm… please pray her conversion ?

  2. Don't forget that the laws of conservation and the no hiding theorem All state the same thing. Whatever created the universe had to be of equal or greater value than all of it combined. All the mass all the energy and all the intelligence information put together into one being. That's the facts.

  3. I honestly don't understand atheism. The closest I've been, is that I was somewhat of an agnostic at one point. To me, it seems quite clear that God exists. Now, I'm not arguing necessarily for the Christian God, although as a Catholic that's obviously the God I believe exists. I think that when you get down to it, it would be kind of pointless for us to exist without there being a Creator. In fact, that wouldn't even make sense. Human beings have a creator, and we call that Creator God. Regardless of whether or not it's the Christian God, is irrelevant to God's existence. We know that the Universe had a beginning, if it had a beginning, and it had a creation, it would logically have to have a creator.

  4. Hello. I am an atheist and I am reaching out here in this comment section to answer any and all questions about my position as an atheist. I am not here to dissuade anyone from their faith, nor to disprove the existence of gods. Only to give any believer a chance to understand the mindset of an atheist in a friendly forum.

    I define atheism as the position which suspends acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods.

    And here are my reasons as to why I currently hold to such a position.

    1. I personally have never observed a god.
    2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
    3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
    4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
    5. Of the 46 or so logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
    6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
    7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered vice versa.
    8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
    9. Every phenomena that I have ever observed has emerged from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created ex nihilo – that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
    10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.

    ALL of these reasons lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented – and that is the fact that there is no good reason for me to acknowledge the existence of a god at this time.

    I want to reiterate that these reasons do not speak to the existence of gods, but only to why I find no reason to acknowledge the theistic claim of such existence. If any of these ten reasons were to be reversed or negated in the future, I would then have at least one good reason to acknowledge such existence.

    I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented.   Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, m extraordinary ones.

    I welcome any cordial response and am happy to answer any and all questions. Peace.

  5. Your paths are just the opposite from mine: I was a devout Catholic for most of my 75 years. Since college, I was a skeptic/science-based thinker in all areas except religion. The internet was the conduit for me to realize that there was no reason not to examine the claims of religion with the same neutrality as any other claim. Since I found out that science has either falsified all religious claims or the claims are unfalsifiable, thus, making them not worthy of study, I had to reject the claim that there is a God. Did either of you approach the question of a God from a science-based thinking standpoint or from purely subjective processes? If it is the latter, how do you justify/verify that you are correct? After all, knowledge is JUSTIFIED, true belief.

  6. OPINION:

    IT IS SAID :

    CHINA IS COMMUNIST; SO ATHEISM IS ITS LIFE.

    IT'S FIELD ; OR IT'S FARMLAND HAD TURNED INTO CORONAVIRUS BRINGERS .

    CORONAVIRUS MIGHT BE ITS PUNISHMENT FROM GOD .

    SO IT'S WRONG TO SIDE WITH CHINA; OR WITH THE CHINESE .

    **** **** ****

    IT IS ASKED :

    SO, WHY DO THE MEDIA GET BACK TO BLOOMBERG AND
    YANG AS VP COME BACK NOW TO DEMOCRAT PARTY AT THE MEDIA ?

    *** **** ****

    THAT WOMAN DRESSED AS A NUN MIGHT NOT POSSIBLY BE TRULY A NUN; IT MIGHT BE JUST MEDIA PROPAGANDA; TALKING LIKE SHE DOES NOT TRULY BELIEVE IN CHRIST .

    THESE TWO WOMEN MIGHT PROBABLY BE TWO ATHEISTS .

    IT IS SAID THE CHINESE HAD THE LEANING TO BE ATHEISTS; OR HOMOSEXUALS, ON THE PART OF MEN ; OR LESBIANS ,ON THE PART OF WOMEN .

    1) YANG QUIT HIS AMBITION FOR PRESIDENCY .
    2) BLOOMBERG ALSO QUIT – IT IS SAID .
    3) WARREN ALSO QUIT , IT IS SAID .
    4 ) BUTTIGIEG QUIT, TOO; IT'S SAID .
    5) ONLY B. SANDERS AND JOE BIDEN ARE THERE LEFT ; FIGHTING NOW ; TO BE DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE .

    *** **** *****

    DUTERTE SAID HE SEEMED TO GIVE UP TO CHINA; CHINA IS SO POWERFUL; HE CANNOT FIGHT; SO HE CHOSE TO COOPERATE .

    DUTERTE SAID HE DOES NOT TRUST AMERICA; AMERICA IS STILL COLONIALIST TO THE PHILIPPINES .

    DUTERTE THINK CHINA IS SO RICH; AND VERY POWERFUL .

    DUTERTE MIGHT LOSE HIS PRESIDENCY; NEXT ELECTION; BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM; HE IS A SUSPECT OF BEING BOUGHT BY CHINA; THAT HE IS CORRUPT .

    **** **** ****

  7. The lady in blue on the left tells us how she abandoned her veganism because she felt God was "working" on her (to attain a "greater" level of understanding, presumably).  One of the main reasons why I could never subscribe to Catholic Christianity, although all of my ancestors have been Catholics, is because animals have no spiritual status within it – the Catechism is sadly only too clear on this point. As soon as I understood what the Church said on the subject of non-human sentient beings,  including its ludicrous claim that humans occupy a unique position in the living hierarchy,  I turned my back on it for good.  If humanity is made in God's own image,  supposedly the very peak of all creation, then the cosmos must be an impoverished place indeed.

  8. This video features two clearly intelligent women who, once atheists, immigrated to Catholic Christianity, but it makes little reference to the far greater numbers of people, particularly within recent decades, who, once Christians, have turned their backs on the Church and often on religion entirely, and who are able, nevertheless, or perhaps because of this emigration, to live happy, fulfilled and sometimes morally exemplary lives.  It's more than a little disingenuous of EWTN to focus on the rather smaller picture than on the greater one.

  9. This, as usual, as so many many episodes of the Journey Home, are shining diamonds for so many, and then I read some comments of atheists, and I think, they have eyes, but cannot see, they have ears, but cannot hear…Jesus says,"I am the way, the truth, and the life", "If you hear me, you hear the Father(Abba)"…Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth(Bible), one cannot understand with the mind, one must ask the Holy Spirit, in Prayer and humility, so be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it…Jesus said to the jewish priests,"No sign will be given you except the sign of Jonah…",but yet, there are so many proofs, the saints and their lives, just to name a few, Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, Maximillion Kolbe, Sister Faustina, Padra Pio,THIS IN OUR TIME, but how many others, and only because they listened to Jesus, He is the one who told us about the Father, as for me I know He saved me 3 times when I called out, how many times that I don't know.
    Question: Is it better for me not to believe, or to believe when I die…There are no atheists in fox holes…there is truth in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John…Peaceout!!!

  10. Well I am into this about 60 minutes and, quite frankly, I have not gotten much out of it – I'm sad to say. I was looking for to I guess something different.

    What I have tended to see is the interviewer trying to pigeonhole atheist and a some kind of neat little agenda that he has fortunately at least one of the ladies tends to push back a bit on that agenda. It would be great if the interviewer actually got to personally know some atheists and dropped his agenda and preconceived ideas and allowed them to have the real human beings as God-made them.

  11. I think the best way to bring an Atheist to God, is to go to that person as God.
    Jesus is best seen through the behaviour of the Christian, so being Christ is the best way.
    very enjoyable topic, thank you

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